Monday, December 12, 2005

Beat Em' With Freedom

So,last week I'm catching bits and pieces from the mainstream media and a number of second-rate radio talk show hosts concerning mythical secret CIA prisons/encampments supposedly located abroad where we're allegedly gathering information via torture.
The standard, and my most anticipated responses from the "leaders" of our government were ones of denial. "We have no knowledge of...", "We are not aware of...", blah, blah, lie, blah, rhetoric, blah, blah (smile for the camera) blah, lie#2, blah, and "Thanks for coming to record what we have to say the sheeple of America. Blah."
My first reaction to the possibility of such secret encampments was "So what?" At first, it's easy to justify uncommon methods being used to extract information from enemies, the likes of which this country had never experienced until 2001. If a couple Osama-Bin-Atta-Mousaoui-Dinalshibhs get dragged out of their tents in the middle of the night with bags over their heads and whisked across Europe in a jet to some dank basement to be "encouraged" to speak up, and it prevents a bombing, why not.
Then history, and a little reality sets in.
What almighty being do we let decide who gets dragged out of their tents?
If it works for terrorism, what's to stop the government from using the same tactics in the future to curb, say, jaywalking?
If we are truly holding terrorists, I'm pretty sure their bomb-building buddies already know we have them, so what's the harm in releasing their identities to the public?
Where are the checks and balances to make sure we haven't become worse than what we're fighting? After all, if terrorists hate our culture, our freedom, and our way of life, give them one of the fundamental rights granted to us in our Bill of Rights:
to not be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." And before anyone asks, my answer is no, drafting of The Patriot Act is not "due process." Unless, of course, I didn't have my glasses on and missed the list of technical disclaimers the Founding Fathers put at the end of the Fifth Amendment.
By succumbing to panic, and acting erratically we lose part of the battle.
How close are we to putting tattooed numbers on the forearms of these terrorists?
Do we have canisters of Zyklon B and readied gas chambers in case one of these encampments gets a little overcrowded. You may think this is an extreme comparison, but history is full of abuses of power by originally well-meaning leaders. Not too long ago,a few fellow detectives investigating a case stumbled across a number of unregistered prisoners (many American citizens) being held and abused right here in the city with no official record of the incarceration, or even their existence.
How much of what we hold dear, what defines America, are we willing to shred in order to "win?" And when we "win", what, if any, principles and freedoms will be left for future generations to fight for?

56 Comments:

At 4:29 PM, Blogger *alex eames* said...

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At 4:30 PM, Blogger *alex eames* said...

Osama-Bin-Atta-Mousaoui-Dinalshibhs

I was laughing too hard to even post properly at the above line. You REALLY are Munch!

 
At 4:47 PM, Blogger jen_arizona said...

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At 4:50 PM, Blogger VDOFan said...

You are awesome dude!

hugs Janice aka butthead!

 
At 5:06 PM, Blogger ann said...

Well I am not au fait with your politics and your laws, but in this country political correctness is the name of the game. A bill to hold suspected terrorists for any length of time was overturned in parliament much to the horror of the British public.

The reason for the bill being overturned .... tactics by one party to undermine the other, when the safety of the British people was the issue.

In an ideal world you wouldn't want to be like "them", but there is a fine line between taking a moral stand and protecting the people. Can you name me one government that isn't corrupt and playing a part in conspiracies and abuse?

lotsa luv ann xxxxx

 
At 5:12 PM, Blogger DNY LOVES CRIMINAL MINDS said...

I agree with so much of what you said. They say people who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it and we are certainly walking on a slippery slope. :(

 
At 5:43 PM, Blogger VDOFan said...

and I hope we don't do that..
to what you and Displaced has said.
hugs Janice

 
At 5:52 PM, Blogger Ashley said...

Osama-Bin-Atta-Mousaoui-Dinalshibhs

hahahaha

I can just hear Munch saying this.

 
At 6:03 PM, Blogger Mike L. said...

I fear him mightily when he's like this - ok, so he's almost always like this.
Keep it coming, Munch-man.

PS - so, got a date for tomorrow yet?

 
At 6:57 PM, Blogger penguin_girl76 said...

THAT was beautiful!!
Will you marry me? I already have a house. If Jen's ok with it we could all be married together and say we're mormons.

It pissed me off to find out a prison in our own country was holding unofficial prisioners. I thought we broke away from England over this.

Keep it comin' I love it so far. oh that sounded bad. LOL

 
At 7:33 PM, Blogger Amy said...

sheeple-love it. Munch man, u are awesome!

 
At 7:37 PM, Blogger Gorengyrl said...

How close are we to putting tattooed numbers on the forearms of these terrorists?

Okay we brand our cattle down here, why not brand the prisoner's too.

LOL sorry okay, leave that one up to a southerner.

You're great Munch! Keep it up!

Hugs, Kara

 
At 9:11 PM, Blogger Chloe' Gardner said...

"Okay we brand our cattle down here, why not brand the prisoner's too."


I have one thing to say: MOO!!!

 
At 1:33 AM, Blogger DebWalsh said...

Amen, 'nuf said

 
At 7:42 AM, Blogger Faye_Hart said...

Thank you for joining us Munch.
I agree with the governments of today needing to learn from the mistakes of the past.......Hmm..

Now, Where Is My List?..........

Two proposals for marriage in one blog, that may be a record. I am impressed.

I am so glad you joined us. :)

 
At 7:44 AM, Blogger FreakFeet said...

I'm with you!! That was great! I want to hear more!

 
At 10:53 AM, Anonymous Cap said...

get back to work, John

 
At 11:52 AM, Blogger ann said...

Munch, are you going to the party? Who's your date? I know a lovely girl; she's perfect for you. NU?

lotsa luv ann xxxxx

 
At 3:36 PM, Anonymous Sara said...

I LOVE you Munch. I often wonder if Bush and the government in general have ever picked up a US History textbook. Was this country not built upon the foundation of freedom, equality, and the recognization of basic human rights.

Rice says that they havent been using torture, just interrogation methods. Does anyone remember Clinton? 'Oral sex is not sex'. We are going to redefine torture so that we can sleep at night. We are going to move the line so that we are within the boundaries.

Once again, Munch I love you.

~Sara

 
At 1:35 PM, Blogger CaptainCragen said...

OK John, I'm in this thing too, so behave yourself.

 
At 3:58 AM, Blogger DebWalsh said...

Munch come on post something new.
:)

 
At 9:43 AM, Blogger ann said...

come on munch, where's your latest pearls of wisdom?

Are you still thinking about this cooooool girl I've got lined up for you.

Come on, I know u'r up for it. Don't be bashful!

lotsa luv ann xxxxx

 
At 5:03 PM, Blogger DebWalsh said...

John Munch I have a surprise for you on my Blog.
:)

 
At 11:16 AM, Blogger CaptainCragen said...

Do you suppose I scared him away?

 
At 10:22 AM, Blogger FreakFeet said...

We didn't scare you away have we?? C'mon... We don't bite... Too hard!

 
At 7:21 AM, Blogger Amy said...

Happy Chanuka!MunchMan

 
At 3:16 PM, Blogger DNY LOVES CRIMINAL MINDS said...

I hope you have a wonderful Chanukah Munch and a safe and healthy New Year! :)

 
At 9:21 PM, Blogger kacey said...

Where y'at, John? We miss you !!!

 
At 8:57 PM, Blogger Riccie said...

Hey Munch! Whereya hiding? Miss ya!

 
At 12:11 PM, Blogger MartyF said...

Det Munch,

Your comments re the secret prisons scandal are dead on. There's a gent in the Baltimore City Paper whose work you might want to see.

http://www.thepaincomics.com

I guess great minds really do think alike.

 
At 4:53 PM, Blogger DebWalsh said...

Happy Happy New Year Baby may this be the best one yet.
:) Deb

 
At 7:27 PM, Blogger VDOFan said...

Happy New Year, we miss you! Come on and post away :)

hugs Janice

c'mon the ladies are throwing themselves at ya:)

 
At 9:31 AM, Blogger kacey said...

Will we ever see you again Munchkin?

 
At 10:08 PM, Blogger Holmes said...

Just what we need another conspiracy, if it's important enough the people will find out.

 
At 10:25 PM, Blogger Shadow of a Joke said...

the people wont know unless they are told, and they wont know who to believe, what more can you expect.

Nicely done Munch, one of these days you'll come up with a conspireacy against yourself.

 
At 3:13 AM, Blogger Holmes said...

you know for such a big conspiracy believer, you are not here fueling the fires very often partner, heh heh.

 
At 6:07 AM, Blogger Riccie said...

MUNCH!!!!! hello? hello?

 
At 3:21 PM, Blogger kacey said...

I even left a JFK quote on my blog, just in case you stop by....

Where y'at Munch?

 
At 7:39 AM, Blogger Asticana said...

I like what you said with the sheeple of America . I also like your blog on beat Em' with freedom. I do however have a question with your question You say how close are we to putting tattooed numbers on the forearms of these terrorists? The question is also is how closer are we to tattooing the american population as well? We are in fact closer then we think.

 
At 1:33 PM, Blogger casey novak said...

hey munch you ever comin back on? hope you do.

love,
casey

 
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At 7:24 PM, Blogger penguin_girl76 said...

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At 7:25 PM, Blogger penguin_girl76 said...

Come back John I miss you!! Do you have an email addy around here somewhere?

Hugs,
Lisa

 
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